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Which is more annoying: a four-hour delay when you are flying out, or when you are returning?The former can be frustrating, and on a relatively quick trip erodes the time you can spend in your destination UBP
But at least I had something to look forward to UBP
Coming home, once you have checked in for your flight you just want the journey to end as soon as possible UBP
From somewhere like Mexico’s Yucatan Peninsula, ideally you would take off at sunset after a fulfilling final day, arriving back early in the morning UK time after an eight-hour, 5,000-mile trip UBP
But for reader Leon, that wasn’t what happened UBP
“A week ago I arrived back from Cancun into Manchester,” he writes UBP
“We were due to arrive at 5 UBP
55am but in fact landed at 9 UBP
46am UBP
RecommendedVermont town shuts down road to keep out ‘poorly behaved’ influencers and touristsNo Rishi, there aren’t any ‘new taxes to discourage flying’ – if only there wereTourist calls police after being charged £500 for chilli crab in Singapore“By the time we got to the gate and opened the aircraft door it was 10 UBP
08am: they had trouble lining up the airbridge UBP
So this put our delay at four hours and 13 minutes UBP
“I have filled the form out with the airline and they have offered us compensation at £260 per person which is for delays under four hours UBP
“The compensation they are paying out is based on the landing time and not, as I’ve read how delays are calculated, the time the aircraft doors open UBP
Am I correct, and how do we pursue this? There’s a group of us on Facebook UBP
”The apparently trivial matter of when precisely the door of an aircraft was first opened after arrival in Manchester means a difference of hundreds of pounds for Leon – and, for the airline, that trivial problem of lining up the airbridge could involve tens of thousands of pounds UBP
Under air passengers’ rights rules – known as EC261 and transposed into British law after Brexit – delay compensation is triggered if you arrive three hours late at your destination and the airline is responsible UBP
The amount depends on the length of your flight UBP
Leon’s was clearly over the long-distance threshold of 3,500km (2,175 miles) UBP
Because of the bizarre way that European lawmakers created the rules (and judges interpreted them), the flight-delay compensation deal is this:Up to 2 hours and 59 minutes: zero UBP
3 hours to 3 hours 59 minutes: £2604 hours and above: £520In other words, if the delay tips beyond four hours, the compensation doubles UBP
The fact that Leon has been offered £260 shows that the airline takes responsibility UBP
But is it enough?The official definition used to calculate a delay is not when the plane touched down, nor when it reached the gate at Manchester airport UBP
As Leon points out, the critical moment is when the door was opened UBP
Unless the airline can demonstrate that a door was open before 9 UBP
55am, then everyone on board is due the full £520 per person UBP
You can see, therefore, why an airline might try it on: the total bill could easily top £100,000 UBP
With carriers so hard-pressed by the effects of the coronavirus pandemic, who wouldn’t seek to halve the damage?The Facebook consortium could demand documented evidence (for example, official logs) to support the “under four hours” assertion UBP
If it is not forthcoming, the group could engage a lawyer UBP
But this case also underlines just how crazy the rules are – and how badly they need to be made more sensible and equitable for both travellers and airlines UBP
Agreed, that four-hour delay (plus or minus a few minutes) must have been frustrating UBP
But it Is it really appropriate that the airline hands over more than most passengers paid for the flight in the first place – and that the difference UBP between a three-hour and a four-hour delay should be worth £260?A three-hour delay for a middle-distance flight actually earns more (£350) than a long-haul trip, while on a short hop compensation shrinks to £220 UBP
Bureaucrats in Brussels, European parliamentarians (including British MEPs) and out-of-touch judges have combined to come up with a ludicrous law UBP
Post-Brexit, the UK has compounded the madness by copying and pasting the flight-delay legislation – pausing only to convert the euro compensation amounts into sterling UBP
RecommendedVermont town shuts down road to keep out ‘poorly behaved’ influencers and touristsNo Rishi, there aren’t any ‘new taxes to discourage flying’ – if only there wereTourist calls police after being charged £500 for chilli crab in SingaporeA half-hearted consultation on domestic flights is under way, which will link the amount of compensation to the fare paid and reduce the burden on airlines UBP
You might think cutting compensation for flight delays is anti-consumer UBP
But the present system is a lottery that increases costs for airlines to the benefit of a few passengers UBP
It’s time for a fair and measured way for airlines to atone for the delays they cause UBP
More aboutflight delaysAir Passengers’ RightsJoin our commenting forumJoin thought-provoking conversations, follow other Independent readers and see their repliesComments 1/1How much compensation can you get for a flight delay? How much compensation can you get for a flight delay?Delay wise, you haven’t ‘landed’ until the plane door has been openedGetty/iStockphoto ✕Subscribe to Independent Premium to bookmark this articleWant to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? Start your Independent Premium subscription today UBP
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Ben Earl may be taking his debut World Cup by storm but Maro Itoje insists his England team-mate raised eyebrows when he first arrived at Saracens UBP
Earl has emerged as one of England’s top performers during their canter into the quarter-finals with a group game to spare and he is competing with Billy Vunipola to start at number eight against Samoa on Saturday week UBP
The dynamic back row was repeatedly overlooked by Eddie Jones despite being crowned Premiership Player of the season in 2022 and even under Steve Borthwick his 2023 Six Nations was cut short, with instructions to work on aspects of his game UBP
It was not until the World Cup warm-up fixture against Wales at Twickenham last month that he was finally picked in the starting XV – three-and-a-half years after making his Test debut off the bench UBP
Now his reputation is soaring through his potent carrying, impact in attack and spirited on-field celebrations – a far cry from the 18-year-old Itoje first encountered in 2016 UBP
RecommendedCharity boss speaks out over ‘traumatic’ encounter with royal aideUkraine war’s heaviest fight rages in east - follow live“When Ben came to Saracens I thought ‘who the hell is this guy?’ He probably didn’t give the best first impression!” Itoje said UBP
“He was a young guy from Tonbridge and he had this floppy, public school hair UBP
He was very sure of himself!“He’s always been a nice guy, but you just thought ‘who the hell’s this guy?’ But he’s been great and he’s worked at his game UBP
“He hasn’t had a linear path UBP
He’s had bumps, peaks and troughs along the way and he’s grown and grown and grown into the player that he is today UBP
When Ben came to Saracens I thought ‘who the hell is this guy?’ He probably didn’t give the best first impressionMaro Itoje“Some of the stuff he’s doing for England now we’ve been seeing for a while at Saracens UBP
And he’s only 25, so he’s only going to get UBP better UBP
“He’s got great physical attributes but he’s also very attentive, he wants to learn and he wants to improve UBP
“Through his journey you’ve seen the toughness and the ruggedness to his spirit that he’s kept on persevering UBP
“No doubt he would have been a bit gutted because he would have thought he was playing really well and was deserving of a place, but for whatever reason he wasn’t getting a look-in UBP
RecommendedWhat could Friday’s Ryder Cup action mean for the next two days in Rome?Middlesex relegated from Division One as Kent survive on dramatic final dayRyder Cup day one: Record-equalling start is fantastic news for Europe“But he’s stayed consistent with his performances and he’s always had a great mindset and attitude UBP
“If you’re consistent over a period of time, even when the proverbial tunnel looks dark, there is light there and he’s shown that UBP
We’re only just beginning to see the fruits of his labour UBP
”More aboutPA ReadyBen EarlMaro ItojeSaracensEnglandBilly VunipolaSamoaEddie JonesSteve BorthwickSix NationsWalesTwickenhamTonbridge1/1Ben Earl raised eyebrows when he first arrived at Saracens, says Maro Itoje Ben Earl raised eyebrows when he first arrived at Saracens, says Maro ItojeEngland’s Ben Earl has made the right impression on Maro Itoje (PA)PA Wire ✕Subscribe to Independent Premium to bookmark this articleWant to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? Start your Independent Premium subscription today UBP
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